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Where can I experiment with wiki syntax?

Where can I experiment with wiki syntax? --PJF (talk) 17:15, 14 Feb 2005 (EST)

Try the PerlNet:Sandbox page. --PJF (talk) 17:16, 14 Feb 2005 (EST)


This is just the seed for an idea - I haven't thought it through just yet.

The Melbourne and Sydney Courses listed down the left of each page really look like something's cooking with Perl in Australia - just what we need.

I wonder how feasible it is for us to develop a "Perl support" link (or links) that provide either:

  • a central number that feeds people to any interested (and capable) Australian or New Zealand company that wants to offer support

- or -

  • a page that somehow lists the support organisations, their regions, phone numbers and a hint about what area each likes to cover, and let the user take it from there.

My thinking is that this page would be distinct from the "Businesses" page, in that whilst there would no doubt be overlap, some organisations might want to do Perl development, but not support, and vice a versa.

SimonTaylor 00:00, 15 Feb 2005 (EST)

The courses down the left are discreet advertising. One of the advantages Perl Training Australia is hoping to gain from hosting and supporting the site is that users may spot a course that they're interested in. I'm glad that you feel that they give the impression that Perl is active and growing in Australia; that's definitely my feeling as well, especially with all the bookings we've been receiving recently.
I'm personally very happy with the idea of a Perl support area, and I think it fits very well within the goal of bringing together different aspects of the Perl community.
While I imagine the number idea would require co-ordination between interested businesses, your second idea is something that can be implemented immediately. Please feel free to do this — the idea of a wiki is to make it easy to implement these good ideas.
Thanks for the ideas, and keep up the great work. --PJF (talk) 00:15, 15 Feb 2005 (EST)

Choice of license?

From a recent e-mail:

Although on the matter of legal issues, if anyone is inclined I would appreciate any feedback on the license (Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 Australia, see links on the main page). This is something that will be very difficult to change once we have a few contributors.

In particular, do you feel that the history pages provided by the wiki are sufficient to provide the 'attribution'. Do you think that the wording of the license should instead require that we display attribution with content? (Look at the bottom of http://wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page for an example.)

Are there compelling reasons why another license should be chosen?

--PJF (talk) 10:05, 15 Feb 2005 (EST)

MediaWiki Upgrade to 1.3.11

We've just upgraded to MediaWiki 1.3.11. If you encounter any problems, please let me know. --PJF (talk) 18:58, 21 Feb 2005 (EST)

Added 2 new bullet points to Main Page

I added a couple of sections to the Main Page for Perl book reviews and Perl developer tools.

I trust that is felt to be appropriate

Alec 13:47, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)

Absolutely. During the start-up phase I think it's appropriate for content to be linked from where-ever it seems to fit. At some point I'm certain there'll be a reoganisation of our navigation system where things get rearranged into some consistant structures; especially if the front page starts to become too confusing for mere mortals. --PJF (talk) 14:27, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)

Do we need a hot news section?

Should we have a section on the front page for news or useful stuff?

Alec 14:32, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)

If we have local (AU/NZ) Perl-related news, then yes, absolutely. However I'd like to avoid PerlNet simply becoming a mirror or aggregation of other Perl news sites, like use.perl or perl.com. One of the big goals of PerlNet is to increase communication and bonding in the AU/NZ Perl community.
Having said that, I don't have any problems with a bot-generated page or template which takes an RSS feed from those sites and makes them available for PerlNet users. However that's definitely bot work, and possibly not something suitable for the final main page. --PJF (talk) 14:48, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)

e-(The Perl Journal)

Currently you can get a special offer US$20 annual subscription to a bunch of e-magazines which includes TPJ.

I thought this deserved it's own section Alec 15:18, 3 Mar 2005 (EST)

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Can a Wiki be an IPSE?

Can a Wiki system help support a SW engineering process? I.e.

  • Requirments tracking
  • Test results
  • Build logs
  • Project Documention
  • Discussion and comment forums


Wikis make it easy to create, edit, and revise documents and information. I think they're invaluable as documentation systems; we use an internal wiki at Perl Training Australia to keep track of client contact details, course ideas, invoices, reminders, and anything else that needs to be recorded somewhere.
So for requirements tracking and documentation, yes, a wiki is excellent. For things like test results and build logs I'd consider them less useful, although a few well-written bots could be used to do the hard work of keeping things up-to-date.
I don't consider wikis to be particularly well suited as a discussion forum, although I have been used in that role. There are lots of 'web discussion forum' packages out there, most of which do a better job than a plain wiki.
For job/issues-tracking, I consider a system like RT to be extremely worthwhile.
--PJF (talk) 21:39, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)
I agree about the ticket tracking -- ideally you need a product with some work flow and some sort of intelligent form handling. However what would be cool would be a dynamically updated 'dashboard' in the WiKi showing the current summary of tickets, issues and changes.
The reason for suggesting using the WiKi for comments/discussion is to allow teams to comment directly on the material in the WiKi. It could be a tad awkward having the comments in a separate system to the 'documents'. I am particularly thinking of requirements here. TikiWiki claims to have discussions build in... Anyone tried?
The other thing I glossed over was the configuration management system, which is not just version control but change management, baselining etc. A WiKi is most definitively not the place to handle this, but there needs to be consideration on how they work together.
Consider SourceForge as the type of support I am talking about, but with a lot more process and documentation support.
I know this is not really Perl related -- but I figure it's stuff that good Perl programmers think about as well, when doing something larger than 'just knocking up a quick script' :-)
Alec 22:03, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Next Steps Page

I added a Next steps page for newbies to use once they got the basics. Could some of you Perl gurus please add your 2c worth. Thanks

Alec 15:06, 3 May 2005 (EST)

Software upgrade and news

G'day everyone,

Just a quick note to say that we're now running MediaWiki 1.4.6, a significant upgrade from the old 1.3.x software.

I'm also quite aware that PNA has been rather quiet of late. That's quite a bit my fault, however I hope to correct it soon with a good dose of social networking, and some better communication tools (in particular, mailing lists).

All the best,

--PJF (talk)

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